Blog Sections

Announcements

Arts

Business

Complaints

Crime & Punishment

Entertainment

Family & Friends

Food & Beverage

Health

Music

News

Politics

Random

Rants & Raves

Real Estate

Religion & Faith

Science

Sports

Style

Technology

Travel

Writings

Home

My Profile

Justin Flynn Profile Page

Justin Flynn

Hits:	487
Online Status:
OFFLINE
Member Since:	3 years ago
Last Updated:	3 years ago

Articles

Date	Title	Hits	Rating
02/17/2010 19:02:51	Stupid people I cant say enough	1961	/ 0
02/17/2010 13:03:07	Grace Management In Stockbridge GA is a joke.	5645	/ 11

Comments

Add comment for this user | View comments for this user

Recently added comments

Article: Email Responce from HOA Butler
Comment: Grace Management In Stockbridge GA is a joke.
We have received your email and appreciate your response. I would like to answer some of your questions. I understand that you did not receive a pool key or copy of the covenants and bylaws. In order to request a pool key and copy of the covenants, please visit our website www.hoabutler.com. I am sure since you attended the annual meeting you were aware of the requirements of the Association and what we do for your community. Here at Subdivision Services, we do enforce the covenants and we do come through the community on a weekly basis to report on violations. We do enforce the covenants to all property owners in the community. I hope this helps you understand our role in the community and answer some of your questions. Tabitha Garrison Subdivision Services 325 Country Club Drive Suite C Stockbridge,GA 30281 www.hoabutler.com

Article: Responce From Grace Management
Comment: Grace Management In Stockbridge GA is a joke.
Justin, you appear to be confusing Grace Management with Subdivision Services. If you have concerns regarding covenant enforcement and common area maintenance, you need to work with Subdivision Services. As stated at the meeting, the covenants are available at www.hoabutler.com. You may also request services such as the amenity key on this site. The remedies for non-payment of assessments are listed in the covenants. If you or any member of the community has a concern regarding the management of the association, you may contact the board of directors at www.hoabutler.com. Thank you, David.

Article: Another Message from Grace Management
Comment: Grace Management In Stockbridge GA is a joke.
Hi Justin, David Grace asked me to look into the pool card status for your property, but as of today, I have not received a completed pool form for your residence. I have attached a pool form for your convenience. Please complete form and return to our office. You may fax your form to the number below. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks, Yasna Grainger 770.389.6528, EXT. 407 office 770.506.8430 fax yasna@grace-management.com Funny Part is we have requested this through the site by calling and by mail to get this going and still no word

Article: Here is another new email responce form Grace Management
Comment: Grace Management In Stockbridge GA is a joke.
Justin, Based on our phone conversation, your e-mails and your voice mail message, it seems there is still confusion regarding the association’s relationship with two vendors, Grace Management and Subdivision Services. I explained these relationships at the annual meeting you attended, but I thought I would put it in writing to you. Grace Management is under contract to provide financial management including assessment collections, accounts payable processing, and financial statement generation. Grace Management is in complete compliance with every provision of its agreement with the association. Subdivision Services is under contract to provide covenant enforcement, common area maintenance management and ARB support. Subdivision Services is in complete compliance with every provision of its agreement with the association, according to their management team. You allege repeatedly that Grace Management and Subdivision Services are owned by the same entity and that they really are the same company. I am not entirely sure why this is really even relevant but since it is not true, I thought I would address it. You seem to base your allegations on the fact that Grace Management and Subdivision Services maintain office space in the same building, because they both provide information to members via the hoabutler.com website, because Grace Management has the ability to transfer calls to Subdivision Services, and because Grace Management purchases their business cards from you so you (presumably) have inside information. Let me address these issues here: It is true that Grace Management maintains office space (Suite A and C) at 325 Country Club Drive in Stockbridge. It is true that Subdivision Services maintains office space (Suite B) at 325 Country Club Drive in Stockbridge. (At least one other business also maintains space in the building). It is true that Grace Management provides data related to its services to members thru www.hoabutler.com. It is true that Subdivision Services provides data related to its services to members thru www.hoabulter.com. The website was designed so vendors providing services to the association could publish data to the website if the data could benefit the membership. It is true that Grace Management has the ability to transfer calls to Subdivision Services. When we ordered a new phone system, we set up this ability as a convenience to our members whose associations also use Subdivision Services. It is not usual for a member to have business dealings with both companies. For example, a member may want to check on their account balance (Grace) and then report a common area maintenance issue (Subdivision Services). It is true that we purchase business cards from you. (I do not believe that our office assistant, while ordering cards from you, discussed any Corporate ownership information regarding any company. I am quite confident she did not indicate that Grace Management and Subdivision Services shared a common ownership.)

Article: Rest of the email that the system wouldnt let me post.
Comment: Grace Management In Stockbridge GA is a joke.
The facts you present do not mean the two companies are owned by the same entity. It is not usual for unrelated businesses to be located in the same office building. (Suntrust Bank is located in Publix as an example) It is also not unusual for unrelated entities to provide data thru one website. (Google and Microsoft are two separate companies but Internet Explorer – owned by Microsoft, has a search engine from Google as an example.) I am not sure if it is unusual for two different organizations to have the ability to transfer phone calls to each other, but I can tell you it was not a difficult feature for the phone equipment provider to set up. Companies maintain office space, install telecommunications and populate websites in a manner that makes sense to their businesses and the customers they serve. Grace Management is a closely held Georgia corporation. The majority of the shares are held by the Grace Family of McDonough. Neither the corporation nor the Grace family has any ownership interest in Subdivision Services and vice versa. Quite simply, it is not accurate when you say that Grace Management and Subdivision Services are really one company or that they have the same owners. You have stated that we try to pretend we are separate companies for the purpose of confusing members. Besides being incorrect, this is offensive to the many employees of both organizations who work very hard providing excellent service to members through the phone center, e-mails, the website and in person. I will also go on record as saying whenever an association asks me for a recommendation regarding a company that provides covenant enforcement, common area maintenance and ARB support, I always provide them with the contact information for Subdivision Services. I firmly believe they are the best outfit in the industry and of course they have the track record and reputation that proves this. If an association chooses to hire Grace Management, the board of directors executes an agreement with Grace Management. If an association chooses to hire Subdivision Services, the board of directors executes an agreement with Subdivision Services. If an association requires legal assistance, the board of directors executes a retainer agreement with a legal firm. The same goes for any other vendor. We believe this model provides associations with the ability to choose and pay for only the specific services they need. I will remind you that a member in the community asked you to please stop making statements at the annual meeting because he felt you were not providing accurate or helpful information. I think he was trying to convey the importance of being prepared with facts and accurate information before making statements that are not helpful because this will hurt everyone’s efforts in addressing the important issues facing the community. Another member suggested that the best place for any member to start to improve the community would be to correct any violations on their own property. I think both of these members provided good advice. I hope this information proves helpful. David.

Article: My responce to Grace Management
Comment: Grace Management In Stockbridge GA is a joke.
Thanks for the education and I understand you are two companies all I ask is for both companies to work together and solve these problems in the neighborhood as for the guy that said something in the meeting he apologized afterward and understood what I was getting at and wants to help in anyway to resolve these issues. These people as I feel that we are not getting anything out of having you guys around. That is all that i was saying and ask that both companies do there job my trailer will be moved this week as I just want to fight this problem in the right way and me having the trailer there nether helps us or hurts us so we will fight this in another manner. We are asking for your help in getting us to the right person and what steps we need to take to get there never in my life have i had such a resistance or rudeness on the phone. You should have addressed me with respect on the phone no matter how I came at you or your company it is called business etiquette you provide a service and if i don't like it then it is your job to correct it and make me happy in anyway you can. Same as if you didn't like your cards tell me and i will correct it i would kiss your ass so hard to make sure that you where satisfied with your services instead you called me back with an attitude last time i checked we pay your pay check with our dues i don't see Douglas R. Adams paying any dues so please watch your tone with me i am your client.

Article: Feel free to join in
Comment: Grace Management In Stockbridge GA is a joke.
As you can see people what this company does is it makes excuses for things they don't do. Not to mention they also try and put the blame on another company that is in the same office as them. Bad business practice if you ask me. All I am asking is that the company step up and use the money we are paying them to get rid of this guy that is going bankrupt, named Douglas R Adams owner of Strong Rock Christian Academy in Locust Grove GA and make him give over the rights of the association to the home owners. Either that or pay some dues on the empty property he has in here. And keep up the property per the standards of the HOA. How hard is that to handle. But instead these guys suck.

Article: now thats funny
Comment: Grace Management In Stockbridge GA is a joke.
That's the same thing i thought about this and it just ticks me off on why people cant just do there job. Oh know it people have to suffer from it as long as its not them its ok.

Article: And to answer your question
Comment: Grace Management In Stockbridge GA is a joke.
There is one company acting as one company but saying they are two companies now yes they are two separate companies on paper and to our government but they are both ran in the same building with the same number with the same people and yes everyone from one company knows the other. The best thing is they said they are two different companies operating separately but it took them two seconds to stand in the same office together to tell me they where different companies. Crazy how regular companies are starting to sound more like a Pyramid and the MLMs are sounding more like a way out lol

Article: Ok new email from Grace Management things keep getting better lol
Comment: Grace Management In Stockbridge GA is a joke.
Justin, I am glad we have solved the issue regarding corporate ownership. I truly hope we can build on this. Do you really believe that business etiquette is treating someone with respect no matter how hard they come at you or your company? For me, business etiquette starts with all parties treating each other with mutual respect and understanding. From there, complex problems can be analyzed and hopefully solved to the satisfaction of everyone. The problems at Patriot’s Pointe are largely the result of the collapse of the housing industry. Builders and developers have mostly stopped operating. Many have gone out of business. Lots and homes are being foreclosed on at a record rate. Without the subsidy from the developer and very few new homes being sold, the association faces a budget crisis. Plus the developers and builders are unable to properly take care of their lots. Grace Management and Subdivision Services have done everything allowed under their contracts and the covenants to address violations and collect assessments. However, if a builder is bankrupt and can’t pay to maintain his lot, the lot will not get maintained. Even if the association files suit and spends the legal dollars, it doesn’t mean the lot will be maintained at the end of the day. The situation is not hopeless though. In some cases the lot will be foreclosed on by the bank and the bank will have the resources to maintain the lot (and pay the assessments). And ideally, the economy will improve and builders will be able to operate again giving them the ability to maintain their properties. Last December we identified 20 builder owned lots that were foreclosed on by United Community Bank. We have billed the bank from the date of foreclosure and we are working with them to collect the funds. This will generate over $7,000 in revenue for the association which will really go a long way in addressing the budget concerns and many of the other issues.

Article: Hay I got a pool Key today!!!
Comment: Grace Management In Stockbridge GA is a joke.
Way to go got my pool key today for a pool I cant use and when its time to use it all the punk kids that think its a public pool will be in it. Way to go Grace Management. Solving one little stupid problem at a time. Maybe I should bitch a little harder.

Article: You got that right.
Comment: Stupid people I cant say enough
Just like I should be in bed right now not typing in here lol.

Polls

If you could find out the exact moment of your death, Would you want to know?

	Yes
	No

Opinionated Thought

Blog Sections

Recently added comments

Recent Comments

Polls